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		<title>By: Obama boldly calls for others to be nonviolent—but not the US / Waging Nonviolence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama boldly calls for others to be nonviolent—but not the US / Waging Nonviolence</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] to step up the war in Afghanistan. And today&#8217;s major Middle East speech certainly echoes his last one, in Egypt: Nonviolence for everyone else, wars without end for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nonviolence goes overlooked in Palestine / Waging Nonviolence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nonviolence goes overlooked in Palestine / Waging Nonviolence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned the other day in my post about Obama&#8217;s Cairo speech, there&#8217;s a misguided notion that the Palestinians know nothing of nonviolence.  The Jewish [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nathan Schneider</title>
		<link>http://wagingnonviolence.org/2009/06/obamas-bankrupt-call-for-nonviolence/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been fascinated by this co-opting of nonviolence by American political rhetoric, and have written on it before, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-schneider/who-carries-the-burden-of_b_155359.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on the last Gaza conflict&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/oped/998/nonviolence%3A_between_our_safety_and_our_ideals&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on MLK day&lt;/a&gt;. Elsewhere, I wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;American democracy is at odds about nonviolence.

At Barack Obama&#039;s inauguration, Senator Diane Feinstein conjured the two in a single breath. &quot;Those who doubt the supremacy of the ballot over the bullet,&quot; she said, &quot;can never diminish the power engendered by nonviolent struggles for justice and equality, like the one that made this day possible.&quot; By solving, in the letter of the law at least, what W.E.B Du Bois called &quot;the problem of the twentieth century,&quot; a nonviolent movement made democracy true to its promise. Yet during the 2002 vote on a resolution to authorize the Iraq War, Feinstein and 76 of her fellow senators chose to support an invasion. Principled nonviolence, to which so many civil rights leaders of the 1950s and 60s committed themselves, played no significant part in the Senate&#039;s discussions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Those of us interested in a more genuine commitment to nonviolence should be very attentive to this. We must not allow the legacy of nonviolence to be trivialized by Pentagon-wielding diplomats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been fascinated by this co-opting of nonviolence by American political rhetoric, and have written on it before, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-schneider/who-carries-the-burden-of_b_155359.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">on the last Gaza conflict</a>, and <a href="http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/oped/998/nonviolence%3A_between_our_safety_and_our_ideals" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">on MLK day</a>. Elsewhere, I wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>American democracy is at odds about nonviolence.</p>
<p>At Barack Obama&#8217;s inauguration, Senator Diane Feinstein conjured the two in a single breath. &#8220;Those who doubt the supremacy of the ballot over the bullet,&#8221; she said, &#8220;can never diminish the power engendered by nonviolent struggles for justice and equality, like the one that made this day possible.&#8221; By solving, in the letter of the law at least, what W.E.B Du Bois called &#8220;the problem of the twentieth century,&#8221; a nonviolent movement made democracy true to its promise. Yet during the 2002 vote on a resolution to authorize the Iraq War, Feinstein and 76 of her fellow senators chose to support an invasion. Principled nonviolence, to which so many civil rights leaders of the 1950s and 60s committed themselves, played no significant part in the Senate&#8217;s discussions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those of us interested in a more genuine commitment to nonviolence should be very attentive to this. We must not allow the legacy of nonviolence to be trivialized by Pentagon-wielding diplomats.</p>
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		<title>By: Samson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I was thinking of the ISM as I read this piece. Nice to see they got a little mention at the end.

Non-violence works when one of two things are true.  One is when the violent have a conscience.  Then it bothers them to be killing and hurting innocent non-violent people.  The other is when the larger society has a conscience, and they stand up and insist to the violent that the violence must stop.

People like the ISM have been going over to the occupied territories to organize non-violence resistance to the violent Israeli army of occupation.  In response, several of these volunteers have been killed or seriously injured by the Israeli army. Rachel Corrie comes to mind, who was deliberately run over by a bulldozer while trying to protect the home of a Palestinian pharmacist from being destroyed by the occupiers.  Others have been shot in the head and otherwise seriously injured.

The Israelis respond to non-violence with violence.  Ask the Palestinians who go out and try to block the illegal Israeli wall that is stealing large chunks of the occupied territories.  

From what we&#039;ve seen so far, the Israelis have no conscience when it comes to killing Palestinians.  There seems to be an extremely racist mindset within Israel that has convinced itself that killing any non-Jew who opposes them is something to be celebrated, not regretted.

The second element of non-violence is a free press that covers what is happening, and a world society that abhors what is happening and responds to make it stop.  Ghandi and MLK both used such a free press to make the world aware of the violent abuse they were suffering as a result of their non-violent resistance.  Ghandi didn&#039;t succeed because the British Army suddenly realized that beating non-violent protesters was wrong. He won because the British public back home saw the press reports and they made it clear to the British government that this was unacceptable. MLK didn&#039;t win because Bull Conner realized that that using firehoses and police dogs and beating down protesters was wrong. MLK won because the rest of America saw this on TV and made it clear that it was wrong.

Today, the major media, at least here in the US, does not report on the violence waged by Israel on non-violent resisters.  

And the governments of the world, both in the US and in Europe, have decided to back the Israeli violence.  Just look at the world support, at least from governments, for the brutal Israeli attack on Gaza at the turn of the year.  

The one bit of good news is that the citizens of the world, at least those who&#039;ve had access to good information about what is really happening, seem to oppose Israeli violence.  But the question is, when these citizens are routinely lied to and when they are largely excluded from any voice in how the power of their countries are used, is this enough to make non-violent resistance to the Israelis anything other than an act of masochism.  

If Obama was serious, he would tell the Israelis that it is now US policies to put observers on the ground to monitor any non-violent protests.  

If Obama was serious, he would tell the Israelis that there would be serious consequences for any act of violence against non-violent protesters. 

If Obama was serious, he&#039;d tell Israel that they don&#039;t get to steal the land they occupied by war.  That they must stop building their wall, and in the sections where it is completely that they must open it back up to give the Palestinians unrestrained access to their lands.  And that while stopping new settlement construction is a logical pre-condition to any talks, any reasonable settlement will recognize that under international law the Israelis are not allowed to steal any of the land that they grabbed via war.  This means that the existing settlements are going to need to be dismantled and that land returned to the Palestinians.

And of course, at the same time the US should also monitor and respond to violent attacks by the Palestinians.  The US policy should be one to open up the door for non-violent protest against Israel to be effective.  But once this door is open, it should also make plain that violent actions of resistance are not acceptable and not tolerated. 

A typical Obama speech has lots of fine words that sound wonderful. But, we are starting to see that his policies don&#039;t back up his words.  Unless Obama starts taking some of the actions I listed above, that will be the case with this speech as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I was thinking of the ISM as I read this piece. Nice to see they got a little mention at the end.</p>
<p>Non-violence works when one of two things are true.  One is when the violent have a conscience.  Then it bothers them to be killing and hurting innocent non-violent people.  The other is when the larger society has a conscience, and they stand up and insist to the violent that the violence must stop.</p>
<p>People like the ISM have been going over to the occupied territories to organize non-violence resistance to the violent Israeli army of occupation.  In response, several of these volunteers have been killed or seriously injured by the Israeli army. Rachel Corrie comes to mind, who was deliberately run over by a bulldozer while trying to protect the home of a Palestinian pharmacist from being destroyed by the occupiers.  Others have been shot in the head and otherwise seriously injured.</p>
<p>The Israelis respond to non-violence with violence.  Ask the Palestinians who go out and try to block the illegal Israeli wall that is stealing large chunks of the occupied territories.  </p>
<p>From what we&#8217;ve seen so far, the Israelis have no conscience when it comes to killing Palestinians.  There seems to be an extremely racist mindset within Israel that has convinced itself that killing any non-Jew who opposes them is something to be celebrated, not regretted.</p>
<p>The second element of non-violence is a free press that covers what is happening, and a world society that abhors what is happening and responds to make it stop.  Ghandi and MLK both used such a free press to make the world aware of the violent abuse they were suffering as a result of their non-violent resistance.  Ghandi didn&#8217;t succeed because the British Army suddenly realized that beating non-violent protesters was wrong. He won because the British public back home saw the press reports and they made it clear to the British government that this was unacceptable. MLK didn&#8217;t win because Bull Conner realized that that using firehoses and police dogs and beating down protesters was wrong. MLK won because the rest of America saw this on TV and made it clear that it was wrong.</p>
<p>Today, the major media, at least here in the US, does not report on the violence waged by Israel on non-violent resisters.  </p>
<p>And the governments of the world, both in the US and in Europe, have decided to back the Israeli violence.  Just look at the world support, at least from governments, for the brutal Israeli attack on Gaza at the turn of the year.  </p>
<p>The one bit of good news is that the citizens of the world, at least those who&#8217;ve had access to good information about what is really happening, seem to oppose Israeli violence.  But the question is, when these citizens are routinely lied to and when they are largely excluded from any voice in how the power of their countries are used, is this enough to make non-violent resistance to the Israelis anything other than an act of masochism.  </p>
<p>If Obama was serious, he would tell the Israelis that it is now US policies to put observers on the ground to monitor any non-violent protests.  </p>
<p>If Obama was serious, he would tell the Israelis that there would be serious consequences for any act of violence against non-violent protesters. </p>
<p>If Obama was serious, he&#8217;d tell Israel that they don&#8217;t get to steal the land they occupied by war.  That they must stop building their wall, and in the sections where it is completely that they must open it back up to give the Palestinians unrestrained access to their lands.  And that while stopping new settlement construction is a logical pre-condition to any talks, any reasonable settlement will recognize that under international law the Israelis are not allowed to steal any of the land that they grabbed via war.  This means that the existing settlements are going to need to be dismantled and that land returned to the Palestinians.</p>
<p>And of course, at the same time the US should also monitor and respond to violent attacks by the Palestinians.  The US policy should be one to open up the door for non-violent protest against Israel to be effective.  But once this door is open, it should also make plain that violent actions of resistance are not acceptable and not tolerated. </p>
<p>A typical Obama speech has lots of fine words that sound wonderful. But, we are starting to see that his policies don&#8217;t back up his words.  Unless Obama starts taking some of the actions I listed above, that will be the case with this speech as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More from me:

For the record, hilzoy at Obsidian Wings had a different take on this passage from Obama&#039;s speech (http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2009/06/the-cairo-speech-2.html).  He praises Obama for &quot;casting violence as a form of weakness.&quot;  Obama had said: &quot;It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus.&quot;  But Obama, just as well with limited words, claims that violence &quot;does not work.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from me:</p>
<p>For the record, hilzoy at Obsidian Wings had a different take on this passage from Obama&#8217;s speech (<a href="http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2009/06/the-cairo-speech-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2009/06/the-cairo-speech-2.html</a>).  He praises Obama for &#8220;casting violence as a form of weakness.&#8221;  Obama had said: &#8220;It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus.&#8221;  But Obama, just as well with limited words, claims that violence &#8220;does not work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s example also undermined his point: African Americans overcame &quot;the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation&quot; through violence as well as nonviolence. His audience would know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s example also undermined his point: African Americans overcame &#8220;the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation&#8221; through violence as well as nonviolence. His audience would know that.</p>
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