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	<title>Comments on: Chomsky credits the anti-war movement</title>
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		<title>By: Ladd Everitt</title>
		<link>http://wagingnonviolence.org/2009/11/chomsky-credits-the-anti-war-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladd Everitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting food for thought. Not sure I agree with Chomsky, although I think the war protests were an important part of the societal drum beat that eventually led to Bush&#039;s downfall and Obama&#039;s election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting food for thought. Not sure I agree with Chomsky, although I think the war protests were an important part of the societal drum beat that eventually led to Bush&#8217;s downfall and Obama&#8217;s election.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that same article, I might add, Zizek puts nicely the alternative by which we might avoid repeating the mistakes of 2003:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The thing to do is, on the contrary, to bombard those in power with strategically well-selected, precise, finite demands, which can’t be met with the same excuse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that same article, I might add, Zizek puts nicely the alternative by which we might avoid repeating the mistakes of 2003:</p>
<blockquote><p>The thing to do is, on the contrary, to bombard those in power with strategically well-selected, precise, finite demands, which can’t be met with the same excuse.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Nathan Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d necessarily go so far as to credit the protests very much there. There were a lot of other forces involved—I suspect a lot of them were bureaucratic ones within the State Department and the Pentagon about how to fight a war while winning &quot;hearts and minds.&quot; And as for the charade of democracy and elections we&#039;ve established in Iraq, that&#039;s pretty much neo-conservative ideology at work. The war aims were backed down as much by the realities on the ground in Iraq (intractable civil war, etc.) than by any internal dissent at home. 

I still find the most persuasive (and most disturbing) analysis of the protests to be from Slavoj Zizek &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n22/slavoj-zizek/resistance-is-surrender&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the &lt;em&gt;London Review of Books&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:
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The big demonstrations in London and Washington against the US attack on Iraq a few years ago offer an exemplary case of this strange symbiotic relationship between power and resistance. Their paradoxical outcome was that both sides were satisfied. The protesters saved their beautiful souls: they made it clear that they don’t agree with the government’s policy on Iraq. Those in power calmly accepted it, even profited from it: not only did the protests in no way prevent the already-made decision to attack Iraq; they also served to legitimise it. Thus George Bush’s reaction to mass demonstrations protesting his visit to London, in effect: ‘You see, this is what we are fighting for, so that what people are doing here – protesting against their government policy – will be possible also in Iraq!’
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In retrospect, I suspect that one of the things that made the protests so ineffectual might have been how much they were a &lt;em&gt;purely&lt;/em&gt; popular movement, one that was too aloof from getting embroiled in the messiness of Washington politics. Doing so makes for a good demonstration, but ultimately, it left the war resolution free to pass the Senate 77/23 and the House 297/133. Those numbers should be seared in our memories! We utterly failed to persuade elected representatives that they would lose their jobs if they voted for a pointless war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d necessarily go so far as to credit the protests very much there. There were a lot of other forces involved—I suspect a lot of them were bureaucratic ones within the State Department and the Pentagon about how to fight a war while winning &#8220;hearts and minds.&#8221; And as for the charade of democracy and elections we&#8217;ve established in Iraq, that&#8217;s pretty much neo-conservative ideology at work. The war aims were backed down as much by the realities on the ground in Iraq (intractable civil war, etc.) than by any internal dissent at home. </p>
<p>I still find the most persuasive (and most disturbing) analysis of the protests to be from Slavoj Zizek <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n22/slavoj-zizek/resistance-is-surrender" rel="nofollow">in the <em>London Review of Books</em></a>:</p>
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The big demonstrations in London and Washington against the US attack on Iraq a few years ago offer an exemplary case of this strange symbiotic relationship between power and resistance. Their paradoxical outcome was that both sides were satisfied. The protesters saved their beautiful souls: they made it clear that they don’t agree with the government’s policy on Iraq. Those in power calmly accepted it, even profited from it: not only did the protests in no way prevent the already-made decision to attack Iraq; they also served to legitimise it. Thus George Bush’s reaction to mass demonstrations protesting his visit to London, in effect: ‘You see, this is what we are fighting for, so that what people are doing here – protesting against their government policy – will be possible also in Iraq!’
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<p>In retrospect, I suspect that one of the things that made the protests so ineffectual might have been how much they were a <em>purely</em> popular movement, one that was too aloof from getting embroiled in the messiness of Washington politics. Doing so makes for a good demonstration, but ultimately, it left the war resolution free to pass the Senate 77/23 and the House 297/133. Those numbers should be seared in our memories! We utterly failed to persuade elected representatives that they would lose their jobs if they voted for a pointless war.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bryan, chomsky has been saying similar in talks and interviews for several years. i think he&#039;s right. doesn&#039;t mean we don&#039;t have a lot more to do, but it&#039;s not an all or nothing proposition. 

thanks for this post and link (love the blog although i don&#039;t comment much).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bryan, chomsky has been saying similar in talks and interviews for several years. i think he&#8217;s right. doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t have a lot more to do, but it&#8217;s not an all or nothing proposition. </p>
<p>thanks for this post and link (love the blog although i don&#8217;t comment much).</p>
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